OMFG what timeline are we living in!?
@vala "brace ourselves for impact" is pretty apt. but also this can only be good for the fediverse in the long run. Just means we have our work cut out for us..
@mewmew wait its already in pleroma? how do you do it? I have an instance and if I follow a new person I have never seen before I don't see any old posts. How can I get it to load their old posts?
config :pleroma, :fetch_initial_posts, enabled: true, pages: 1000
(set pages to whatever you want)
keep in mind this fetches whenever your instance comes to know about a user, not when you subscribe to a user, so it WILL recursively crawl the entire fediverse and is probably a terrible idea. but it does have it.
@mewmew wow cool I didn't know this. Well kaniini is currently hosting my pleroma instance so I wont try it now haha
@technomancy @vala cause the whole point of the fediverse is the ability for individual choice. small instances here already will simply block the "twitter instance" and nothing needs to change. But if twitter just becomes the mastodon.social. then people will be able to migrate seamlessly from there to a small personal communally run instance and it could be the best of both worlds
this will create tension between people who just want to be able to talk to their old friends vs people who came to the fediverse because it's a place they can actually feel safe
we've seen this convenience vs security divide before and it always ends up with security getting thrown under a bus
@vala @liaizon in my mind instance blocking is the best-case scenario; it's easy to imagine a situation in which Twitter uses its 800-lb gorilla status to pressure ActivityPub into making protocol changes which suit it at the expense of the wider community, fragmenting the fediverse.
it's similar to when Microsoft went from ignoring the web to starting to develop Internet Explorer. remember how well that turned out for the rest of us?
@heluecht I am like whaoooohhh I did not expect this to happen this year. I thought we were another few years out before jack would even acknowledge we exist over here.
@krozruch @heluecht oh yes its gonna be a fucking nightmare of a war if twitter gets involved with the protocol decision making process, which they inevitably will. and if they join then google and facebook will probably send their goons over too so they can have their say. This is why we need to get to work NOW
@mewmew @krozruch @heluecht It depends on where you stand on many fences. For me personally I am fine with federating my single instance with twitter. But many groups will *not* want to federate with them, because they use the fediverse very differently then I. And thats one of the things that makes this place great!
@seasharp @mewmew @heluecht @liaizon On a purely technical level, could a bad actor whose modus operandi is data mining and surveillance capitalism, enter the fediverse and strip mine it? Ie. could it be that, say, Twitter's entry into the Fediverse might be good for users on the one hand (more interactions, more choice etc.) and kick up one hell of a lot of market externalities for democracy, manipulation of public opinion etc. whether this happens on Twitter / Fediverse or not?
@apLundell the extinguish can only happen with the companies. We are in a better place then most times "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" has been done. Not that we don't have to prepare.
@liaizon You don't want them to do the "Extend" part.
In the famous Microsoft mantra, it means to extend with proprietary features to gradually make interoperability difficult and then impossible.
@apLundell ok maybe just a little extension. they can use some of their stupid tech money to make it easier for non tech people to get an on-ramp onto the fediverse.
1. this is very utopic
2. if this ever happen it will be just like "Microsoft loves linux/open-source", this ain't no good to us
"and then we'll replace them with a team that actually thinks 'our' way" are my imagined unspoken words to follow that.
the personal instance of Liaizon Wakest