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***** An Open Letter to the CEOs of #Apple and #Google: Would you have supported the Nazis during WWII? *****

Dear Tim and Sundar,

Hi. I'd normally start a letter like this asking how you were doing, but since you're both billionaires who have been palling around with Donald Trump, I think we can dispense with that formality this time.

I've got a question for you guys. I don't really expect an answer, but I feel that it needs to be asked anyway. Here we go ...

"If Apple, Google, and apps had been around during WWII, would you have supported the Nazis, either explicitly or implicitly?"

As you probably know, IBM has been raked over the coals for decades for the technological assistance they provided the Third Reich, helping them tabulate "undesirables" for a "final solution."

Which brings us to you two! Yeah, you knew this was coming. I have to assume that your dramatic decisions to remove apps that helped the public legally determine the location of ICE operations was approved at your level. If not, you're still ultimately responsible, of course.

Word is that DOJ requested Apple to pull the apps, and that Google pulled them proactively without waiting around for a request. These of course were completely legal apps, breaking no laws that I'm aware of. Banning them from your apps stores effectively bans them virtually completely in a practical sense. Sideloading in iOS has always been difficult, and Google has announced upcoming restrictions that would make sideloading much more difficult for Android as well.

The parallels between your decisions regarding those apps and what went on during WWII in Nazi Germany are very troubling indeed. The Nazis legally (under then current laws) rounded up their target populations: Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and a range of other "undesirables", then "disappeared" them with minimal or no due process, whisking them off to concentration camps. This included cripples, mothers, children -- an enormous range. Many were never heard from again. Millions were exterminated.

I don't need to spell out the parallels with what Trump's ICE is now doing -- they're obvious on the daily news. And before you protest that you're not killing anyone by banning those apps, I'd argue that you indeed are very likely contributing to deaths.

The large majority of people being deported via these ICE raids have no criminal record and their only "crime" is being in this country illegally -- sometimes for decades raising families of U.S. citizens. Many are being deported to countries where they face the high likelihood of horrific treatment including torture and death.

I don't really need to go on any further, do I boys? You're both intelligent and informed. You both know exactly what you're doing. So I come back to the original question. If your firms had been around during WWII, would you have supported the Nazis? If not, your apparently enthusiastic embrace of the current administration's fascist behaviors seems inexplicable.

But hey, perhaps you have logical explanations that aren't obvious to those of us in the non-billionaire class. If so, we'd love to hear them!

Sincerely,

L

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@eff #apple shoved many times that thay do not care about their customers. they only care about the shareholders. first time was it about all users = also apple shareholders. now its only about UK. they gonna bend because #hypocrite #cook see only the money.

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@daringfireball There's a lot of coping going on here. Cook has kissed the ring several times now. The app was removed under the public pretense of "safety risks." Gruber even alludes to #Apple kissing Trump's ass.

Our tyrannical government has no need to formally request the removal because Apple and the people who run it are already compliant with fascism.

Gruber thinks there's a line somewhere, but all I see is a willing submission to evil. If someone is telling you who they are, listen.

Well, that did not take long.

👉🏾 #Google removes #ICE-spotting app following #Apple’s ICEBlock crackdown theverge.com/news/791533/googl

I would not be surprised if users switch to using #Waze to report ICE (as you can already report the presence of police in the app), but my guess is that app will be heavily moderated to prevent ICE reports.

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The Verge · Google removes ICE-spotting app following Apple’s ICEBlock crackdownBy Emma Roth

I'm surprised that many people just seem to realize that the golden cage by #Apple is actually a golden cage! 🤷

What have you thought when you decided for that (overpriced) #lockin situation?

Of course, an #iOS device doesn't really belong to you. It's not up to you which apps you may install. You can't decide on delayed update slots. It's Apple's #cloud only. And Apple's history of business decisions is full of statements that are purely for the benefit of excluding alternatives for political and economic reasons.

Apple will never be on your side. It will always be on the side of it's shareholders and - of course - any US dictatorship that will be in power.

If this doesn't fit your set of requirements, get rid of Apple devices and use something else as long as Google hasn't destroyed #Android as well. With #Pixel (8+) and #GrapheneOS, you have the most power over your device+data, at the moment.

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Why are folks so quick to give up any notion of resisting? I suspect that it comes down to consumerism and convenience. New shiny and make it easy!

But, you know, #fascism. Don't want that? Then do the fucking work. On a personal level that means you make a real effort to not give your cash to a company that supports fascism:
- Change your email provider
- Change your use of the cloud
- Learn to back-up to a local computer

It's fucking fascism. Sorry for the inconvenience. Deal with it. #Apple

In regards to #Apple, #Google and #Fascism, I see folks grossly oversimplifying with this logic:

All the choices are bad, we have to choose one or the other bad option. All or nothing, there's nothing else to be done.

I'm still using an iPhone and an iPad. Yep. But I'll stab myself in the eye with a stick before I buy a new one. My iPhone 13 is only 3.5 years old. I can easily get at least another 3-4 years more from it.

And it's still very useful without iCloud or other Apple services.