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Discovered this morning that Maven https://heymaven.com (a social media startup who's CEO is ex OpenAI "Ken Stanley: leading the Open-Endedness Team at OpenAI") is mass importing public posts from the #fediverse with no links back to the original and no way to delete them. It seems there is no Opt-out or Opt-in mechanism at all. It also has posts from #Bluesky pulled in via @bsky.brid.gy that are also not linked back to the original.
Here's an example: https://app.heymaven.com/profile/66927
1.12 million fediverse posts scraped by AI startup Maven founded by ex OpenAI lead...
confirmation by Maven CTO Jimmy Secretan https://app.heymaven.com/discover/1190743
UPDATE: Looks like its a bit more complex (isn't it always)
So the CTO is here at @jsecretan and has clarified that they are in the process of implementing bidirectional #ActivityPub, but in the meantime ingested the "federated timeline" of Mastodon.social
You can look at their AP response here: https://staging.maven.ly/mastodon/actor/1 though it doesn't seem to be live on their main domain.
UPDATE 2: so it looks like @jsecretan is deleting the entire 1.12 million scraped posts off of Maven after this thread blew up. So cool I guess? But also sorta totally comes off as "whoopsies" we had no idea what would happen if you scrape millions of posts with no link back to the original. I hope to see an official post mortum on this incident from Maven
UPDATE 3: CTO Jimmy (@jsecretan) says "We have paused everything related to our Fediverse ingestion for now and we are removing everything ingested. To be honest, the extreme negative reaction was a surprise to me, as I thought interaction between disparate systems was the entire point, but clearly we didn't navigate the culture correctly." - https://app.heymaven.com/discover/1190898
And @deadsuperhero wrote an article mostly from this thread for @wedistribute.org now live at https://wedistribute.org/2024/06/maven-mastodon-posts/
@liaizon @jsecretan @deadsuperhero @wedistribute.org
I don't even think it's a question of "Fediverse Culture". I personally would honestly be fine with them importing all of the Fediverse to their thing - IF there were back-links so you could, like, interact with the author, see context and follow-ups, all that fun stuff.
What he did was basically like cropping out an artist's signature before uploading it to 9gag as your own - just to the entire Fediverse.
@DrakkenZero the not having links back was also my biggest >ouch<