#TrustRoots already has an issue as well: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/issues/2287
#OpenHospitalityNetwork already has a fork of Trustroots who is working on adding ActivityPub: https://github.com/OpenHospitalityNetwork/fedi-trustroots/issues
Tagging @weex because I see them in the issues there already
Thanks to a few folks for pointing out the already existing discussion on SocialHub about hospitality exchange (I didn’t know this term before) https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/hospitality-exchange-community-considers-moving-to-the-fediverse/1765
A random coincidence: someone submitted an article that made it to the front page of hacker news about this issue right before I started posting about this today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28583583
@liaizon can be done now, with existing Mastodon/Fediverse; I've seen the Fedi already being used to find short term and emergency accomodation for people but Fedi could do with either groups or a dedicated app. Might be worth investigating *why* Couchsurfing did this; was it simply for basic running costs or to pay lawyers/PR people following safeguarding failures and criminal cases a few years ago?
@vfrmedia yeah just having an instance devoted to it with some bots that keep track of cities and stuff would go a long way
As for *why* Couchsurfing did this, well, isn't it just a classic example of a corporation enclosing digital commons? The usual path is: 1) a hobby/phenomenon starts, stuff is amateurish, 2) a corporation starts to offer services and look more professional, 3) the corporation registers the trademark, 4) ban amateurs.
I just had a look into the history and Couchsurfing already went corporate in the 2010s; then a lack of revenue due to Covid stopping a lot of travel encouraged them to try and make it a paying service (also they offer services to verify IDs etc for security, though I'm dubious as to how that can be "safer" than a real community which regularly interacts)
@bob this would do the job (BTW I'm not getting notifications again from your posts, luckily I saw this in the first column).
Is there any way I can see a demo of this sharing system? (I did look on your site but couldn't find it)..
@vfrmedia @liaizon From what I understand from the wikipedia article, they tried to run it as a non-profit in the beginning with some financial problems. Then the BDFL turned out to not be benevolent and sold the whole thing to venture capital with predictable consequences.
I think this is mostly a case against having a BDFL
Bolting it on to the existing Fediverse could work as there is already a global community here who are generally friendly, well behaved, diverse in age, ethnicity, gender/sexuality etc and even with folk being privacy aware they share just enough to ascertain whether they would be trustworthy (all the other services risk creating power imbalances, especially when relative strangers are desperate to find accomodation at short notice)
@frainz I have an account and have lurked but never tried to stay anywhere. Have used couch surfing a ton though.
@liaizon Hm, ok. I never had the guts to really try any of them, but CS always felt too corporate (made an account in 2014, I think). But each time I looked at bewelcome, there were far fewer hosts
@frainz stayed with folks in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan from couch surfing. Was sorta insane how many folks there were on it using it to gain language skills from travelers.
out of all 3, #Couchers seems to have taken the most effort to fully address the human/community safeguarding issues that plague any service like this (incidentally, I'm not sure if people realise that in many countries the moment they invite someone into their house they incur a formal legal duty of care to look after them and can incur legal penalties if things go wrong...)
Please support Mariah, let's federate couchsurfing:
and then it would appear on the sick ActivityPub map I am doing now for redaktor in the other window.
Would be nice if it has an `icon` property with e.g. a couch svg … :)
@liaizon brilliant - a federated couch surfing resource is a great idea!
Who will step forward and make it happen?
@bigworldsmallsasha @tio thanks for the article, it’s funny even there people are thinking about the federated potential in the comments. Mentions of #matrix and #activitypub. It’s incredible to me to think of how many areas of the internet would be better served if federated protocols became standard practice
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