Twitter has publicly launched their #Bluesky discord and theres ton of people joining it right now cause it was just boosted by Jack. I got them to set up a #fediverse channel and many folks are there discussing the fediverse in relation to the future of twitter. I think its important to make our voices heard there, whatever they may be. Right now there are way too many crypto people trying to push that direction. Come along for a ride!
Golda, one of the main organizers of #Bluesky just made this comment that implies a decision has been made somewhere that Bluesky is not going to be built as a blockchain project, but might still support crypto transactions which makes sense to me
Just discovered the new Twitter #Bluesky project lead Jay Graber is already on the fediverse at @arcalinea
@liaizon I'm a little concerned that their only rule is "No member of the community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the community".
I sense this is going to be a poorly-moderated hellscape, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt to begin with.
@TrechNex yes it seems it will definitely become a hellscape. but its currently not toooo overrun
@TrechNex @liaizon also the irony of "we're going to build a decentralized service where anyone has the freedom to run their own server or write their own client. hm; where shall we discuss this? oh, I know; how about the proprietary chat service whose TOS state that they will delete your account if you use anything but the official spyware client; that's perfect"
very strong "how do you do fellow kids" energy
@technomancy @liaizon in their defence, they did listen to people pointing this out to them.
I think they're bridging to bsky-fediverse:matrix.org
(There may be more channels under +bluesky-community:matrix.org)
@liaizon wait, are you saying fediverse people might want to have a stance on Twitter/Bluesky other than "oh god no; stay away from me"?
@technomancy yes I am. Though that is a totally valid stance.
@liaizon it honestly never even crossed my mind that anything good could come from Bluesky succeeding.
OTOH if Bluesky fails spectacularly, that's great; it draws attention to the idea of federated networks, shows people that Twitter doesn't have to be the only way, and many of the people who would have used Bluesky end up checking out the fediverse and getting the benefits of decentralization without bringing the Curse of the Brands with them or having to reinvent everything from scratch.
@technomancy I don't disagree with that being a probable direction this could take. But seeing how this develops it will surely have *some* impact and I think people here have a valid reason to try to push this towards using more open standards then not. Its looking most likely to me that twitter is thinking of activitypub+crypto mushed together as the path
@liaizon maybe you can unpack some of that; I still don't follow.
are you saying that it's possible the money that Twitter would spend in activitypub-adjacent tooling could somehow be greater than the amount of damage the brands and advertising they intend bring with them would have on the activitypub ecosystem?
that seems ... vanishingly unlikely to me?
@technomancy I’m saying that they are gonna do something regardless. And they are looking for contributing ideas to help direct them. This so far seems like a weird hybrid where Twitter is finding a research project. I think there are good and bad things that will come out of this regardless of the direction the project takes.
@liaizon the only honest outcome that such a research group could come up with is "wups; turns out healthy social media has been incompatible with capitalism all along" and as soon as they say that, the funding is gone. is there any way for the research group to survive without producing disingenuous results?
@liaizon @technomancy maybe useful things we can steal, and we can try to influence things in that direction :p
@KitRedgrave @liaizon @technomancy tbh I think I'm only going to engage for a few days before I toddle off again. 😅
Hopefully better minds than my own with more time will be able to make a difference.
@liaizon Walking into this crypto techbro lion's den won't be for the faint hearted but someone will have to do it.
Are any of them at least clued in enough to understand that community safety/moderation is essential for the social web to succeed and it is "good for business" to have that established before even trying to codify standards for monetisation? Like, even the shrewdest business person *must* realise that some wild west censorship-resistent blockchain free-for-all is only going to capture the fringes of society and scare away the "average consumer".
Or have they mostly got frozen peaches for brains?
@˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ A federated project discussing how to federate on a non-federated platform - great 😅
@jaywink the rooms are all getting bridged to matrix.
@˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ Yeah most things are these days. Still, seems weird to choose a centralized platform 🤔
@jaywink couldn’t agree more
I have no wish to contribute. I'd be making the most perfectly serious and well-thought-out comments of my life … and the crypto people would be convinced I'm trolling them for LoLs.
@liaizon The crypto people will win. Jack said a while ago that if he wasn't doing what he's doing then he would be working on cryptocurrencies.
If BlueSky isn't just a boondoggle then becoming a hellish cryptosite would be a useful outcome because I think it would destroy Twitter. The field then opens up for other possibilities.
On ..
mastodon.social 🤦♀️
Got them to bridge the fediverse room to matrix
https://matrix.to/#/%23bsky-fediverse:matrix.org