So for anyone who wasn't following, Google pressured a bunch of #fediverse app developers to do an impossible thing and in the end they had to delete their app off the Play Store
Here is a good synopsis by @SubwayTooter
@liaizon Subway Tooter is still on the Play Store right now, and one of the latest releases added a disclaimer about third party content being displayed in the app (I don't remember the exact wording). So not sure if that's been enough to move something at Google.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's the result of some group reporting other unrestricted Fediverse apps after the activism around Tusky forks that removed the Gab block.
@marie_joseph @liaizon @SubwayTooter yep, to me this whole thing sounds like whataboutism to avoid taking responsibility. Also the argument of Google pressuring the ban of content you do not have an issue with is... I mean the bar is pretty low. I think genocide, and racism isn't really hard to identify.
@diabeticus @marie_joseph @SubwayTooter there are 4 million accounts in the fediverse and new ones every day. The idea that a client app has to keep track of that is literally insane. Apply the same logic to any other type of client app. Imagine if your text editor had to not let anyone write anything hateful. it is protection in the absolute wrong place.
@liaizon @diabeticus @SubwayTooter you don't have to track accounts, just instances. Between isolate Gab and general community vigilance, Tusky has demonstrated that is very possible and very effective. Husky ("Hitler Tusky," a fork of Tusky) literally only exists because Tusky's block list is effective.
@mithrandir @marie_joseph @SubwayTooter @liaizon I absolutely agree with this and they should. But that doesn't remove each and everyone's responsibility. It also gives more legitimacy to follow their policy and push them to apply it to their own products rather than just refusing. Effective or not it is about mitigating the reach of this kind of dangerous groups that have real life consequences. Even if it is a little bit.
@mithrandir @marie_joseph @SubwayTooter @liaizon I think big institutions are not an excuse to not take personal responsibility. I do not throw my engine oil down the nearest stream because Exxon does it. Also large companies pay attention to what people value. If we turn a blind eye and point fingers as to who should do something they will too.
@mithrandir @marie_joseph @SubwayTooter @liaizon I see what you mean and agree. But again to keep going on that metaphor :) I recycle even if BP is hypocritical. I think it is the same here. We should all take responsibility even at a small level and also keep large companies like Google to their word. One is not dependent on the other. But I get your point.
@penny @marie_joseph @SubwayTooter I am not saying that facism or racist bigotry or transphobic shit should be tolerated at all. I am just saying that it should not be up to app developers to make that call. There is not yet a way agreed upon to have a colaberatively managed and shared block list. Having one person who holds the repo for what instances get to be logged into is just a horrible way to manage this issue.
Who gets to decide who is blocked and who isn’t? Does Tusky block the paedophile instance? Who gets to make these bullshit arbitrary decisions?
Google is afraid of the Internet the way it use to be: distributed, decentralized, free
@liaizon so they didn't issue any notice to Tusky at all?
I have no experience with SubwayTooter and I've never heard of MastoPane, but the other two apps were definitely explicitly changed to remove bans on Gab.
@ben Fedilab was also warned. I don't think they ever implemented a ban list. SubwayTooter is one of the oldest apps too, first to implement lots of things like polls etc
@liaizon Fedilab definitely did implement a ban list, then remove it, then go paid-only when people complained.
@ben I forgot they did indeed implement it in a single version. They have always been free on Fedilab, though I don't know if the paying and the ban list happened at the same time like that.
@bob if I rember right they did not wont to play the game by putting hard blocks in there code.
@bob no not at all. it means they didn't want to have the job of content moderation with is an insane amount of work
@liaizon with this argument they would have to take Facebook, Instagram and Tiktok out of their store. If I would be in the shoes of the Devs, I would complain to DG Competition. This is possibly a violation because of the Android monopoly.
Fuuuuck I'll have to write a better one because it's not clear what caused Google to take this action; people are literally concern trolling Google support reps
@grishka they didnt respond to anyone asking for clarification which is so annoying
˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗, typical Google. My experience of being an Android developer is that having connections at Google is of paramount importance. If you don't know any googlers, going through the "official" support system you hit a wall 95% of the time. If you do know someone from developer relations (yes it's an actual job title people have), you just email them and everything is escalated and sorted out in a matter of days. They're really nice guys and they do their best to help you. Google is just very very terrible at communication with the outside world, and apparently isn't very interested in fixing it.
Actually, I could try emailing some of the contacts I have from my previous jobs...
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