languages shouldn't have official discord "servers" tbh.
if the discussion isn't available on a public platform, you fucked up.

@grainloom Yeah, would be nice if the userops for irc/matrix/xmpp was good enough, and perceived as good enough, that projects dare run their own without risking a maintenance burden. But when even Mozilla gave up ...

@clacke Mozilla bundles quite a bit of unnecessary crap with their browser, so I don't value their opinion quite as much as I wish I could.

@grainloom For me it turns into, "wow, Mozilla has hundreds of people and hosts these services I don't even want, but they can't even run an IRC server", which makes me think an IRC server should probably be made easier to host.

@clacke @grainloom

Is anyone on the fedi hosting an irc server? thats an interesting question, someone must be right

@liaizon @clacke @grainloom I have a private irc server, yes.

I use unrealircd, which is under active development.

In general, when I hear "irc has drawbacks" that's all I hear, I never hear what they are, and if questioned, the person backpedals like _mad_ to get away from actually having to say they can't only use text to speak to others, they need to be able to post gifs and memes to express themselves.

Last time I tried to use Matrix, I was directed to Google Captcha. Fsck that.

I ran an xmpp server for a bit, but as the number of people using it was exactly 1, and that person was available on irc, I stopped wasting my time with that.

We use rocketchat at work, and I wish the admins would install the irssi support for it so I could have a proper interface, but... oh well (:

@Truck @liaizon @clacke the only real problem i have with it is that multiple active connections with the same nick are unnecessarily complicated. and i guess an easier way to look up history would be nice.

@grainloom @Truck @liaizon @clacke that's pretty much it - support for multiple devices under the same Nick and recent history keeping for when coming back on a device that hasn't been on for awhile.

Both are solved by bouncers but they're not easy to set up. Not *hard*, but certainly not easy.

@polychrome @grainloom @Truck @liaizon @clacke my client solves this by running on a server, and i can connect from my work laptops, and my phone


@hirojin @polychrome @grainloom @Truck @clacke I love that the dev of The Lounge just commented on this thread. thanks you rock. The Lounge is great

@liaizon @polychrome @grainloom @Truck @clacke how did you draw the conclusion that I'm the dev of the Lounge??

(i do a lot FLOSS, but almost all of it is backend / server / DevOps)

@hirojin oh haha I read "my client" as in the "client I made" not "the client I use"

I need sleep, I am on severe jetlag. disregard :)

@liaizon @hirojin I read "my client" as "the people I do contract work for". 😁

@clacke @liaizon i'm glad we've gotten all interpretations in now, i was worried somebody was missing out

@hirojin @liaizon @polychrome @grainloom @clacke Well, in my case, I misread "my client" as "I am the author."

English! It's never ambiguous! (:

Fairly sure in Finnish, this would not be ambiguous. But I also am only at level 1.5 on the 5 point scale of being able to speak/read a language with Finnish - where 5 is "native/fluent" and 3 is "can have a regular conversation but is limited in the phrasing they can use."

@Truck @liaizon @polychrome @grainloom @clacke sometimes, "my client" also means, "the company i currently work at"

@hirojin @liaizon @polychrome @grainloom @clacke Yes. Though, given we were all speaking at a level which was more administrative / developer than "casual user," you can see where there was some context that you _could_ be the developer.

Now, just to be clear -

Does your company _develop_ that client, or just use it?

@Truck @liaizon @polychrome @grainloom @clacke my company is one person, me: and i only use it. i don't know enough JavaScript to develop it, but if any of you do … 😅

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